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24 minutes ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

What I said was based on information a year ago and not blessed with the priceless gift of a years hindsight.  You did not know on draft day that Strief would miss almost all season, Breaux would miss all season and Armstead would miss a lot of the season.

There's been talk of Strief retiring for the last several years. You can't tell me that Payton wasn't preparing for that. 

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2 minutes ago, GOAT POTUS said:

There's been talk of Strief retiring for the last several years. You can't tell me that Payton wasn't preparing for that. 

I can tell you that as Ramczyk was never expected to drop to #32

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35 minutes ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

I can tell you that as Ramczyk was never expected to drop to #32

Either way we still got the best value at both positions selected and OT was still going have to be addressed if Ramczyk was there or not. 

When a rare talent CB is available you select him. 

Strief's age was an indicator that he was near the end. 

There's no way Payton wasn't going to be prepared either way. 

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1 hour ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

What I said was based on information a year ago and not blessed with the priceless gift of a years hindsight.  You did not know on draft day that Strief would miss almost all season, Breaux would miss all season and Armstead would miss a lot of the season.

Breaux had just missed 10 games prior and in those 6 games, half were healthy and he looked FAR from the 2015 player. Even the huge homer I am never once said he'd have been a good #1 CB going into 2017. We also didn't know how good Crawley was going to be considering how up/down he was. Hell, dude was benched for the first 2 games in favor of DeVante Harris. The same guy who did absolutely jack shit in 2016. PJ Williams was also IR'd 1.5 games into that season and missed the season prior as well. So there's no hindsight to that. Moore and BW Webb were nothing more than veteran pickups when we got hurt in 2016.

CB was definitely a top need, we even said it last offseason. If you think going into 2017 with Breaux-Williams-Crawley-Harris is a good idea, you're out of your mind. That's 3 UDFA, 1 which sucked ass and your top 2 guys in Breaux-Williams having played 7.5 games between them the season prior. That's a recipe for disaster.

 

Also, no we did not know Strief was going to be IR'd and the fact is, Armstead has never played a full season, missing 9 games the previous. But, we also knew at this point Peat is not the solution at LT. It was a move for the future, which is what the draft is also about. If you even paid attention the past few years (which you don't), Saints have always used a 3rd T very often so the move was an insurance as well as a future move. That's like saying Saints would be dumb to draft a QB right now. You don't draft for just the moment, you also plan for the future.

 

Reach for a DE @ 32, you end up with tier 3 guys like:

DeMarcus Walker (51st)

Tanoh Kpassagnon (59th)

Both of which we could have taken with our 2nd round pick instead. And STILL opted to take a FS.

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1 hour ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

I can tell you that as Ramczyk was never expected to drop to #32

Players drop in EVERY draft, so don't give me that bullshit. It was a luxury pick, but Saints have always been successful when they went BPA instead of trying to fill in needs. 2012-2014 defined drafting for need and it absolutely killed our depth and talent.

 

Also the likelihood is if he was taken, it might have been Dalvin Cook instead. Considering they were targeting him at 42 but Minnesota took him. Saints also said Lattimore/Ramczyk had top 1st round grades while Williams/Kamara had mid-late 1st round grades.

 

Shit happens in the draft. 

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4 hours ago, SaintsFanInLA said:

 

Uhhhhhh, what's going on between you two?

Nothing more than a little RC smack talk. Musk doesn’t really bother me.

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1 hour ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

I can tell you that as Ramczyk was never expected to drop to #32

No he wasn’t. And he was only 1 or 2 O/T in that draft expected to be able to contribute early in a Pro Set offense. Saints got lucky he was there.

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42 minutes ago, GOAT POTUS said:

Either way we still got the best value at both positions selected and OT was still going have to be addressed if Ramczyk was there or not. 

Because Strief went down.  Hindsight.

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On 4/14/2018 at 7:00 PM, nola90 said:

Players drop in EVERY draft, so don't give me that bullshit.

It was a luxury pick

You had no clue Ramczyk would be there at #32.  Anything else is a bald faced lie.

It was a luxury pick, but lucky for you, didn't end up as such.

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1 hour ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

Because Strief went down.  Hindsight.

When did Strief go down? 

And when was Ramczyk drafted?

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2 hours ago, GOAT POTUS said:

When did Strief go down? 

And when was Ramczyk drafted?

You know those answers.  Is there a point?

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11 minutes ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

You know those answers.  Is there a point?

The point is that Payton had to have known that Strief's retirement was close and he was going to address the OT position regardless if Ramczyk was there at 32 or not. 

Taking Lattimore with our 1st pick wound up being the right move. 

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10 hours ago, GOAT POTUS said:

The point is that Payton had to have known that Strief's retirement was close and he was going to address the OT position regardless if Ramczyk was there at 32 or not. 

Taking Lattimore with our 1st pick wound up being the right move. 

Strief still had two years on his contract at that point.

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2 hours ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

Strief still had two years on his contract at that point.

And?!

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6 minutes ago, GOAT POTUS said:

And?!

Much like Brees does.  Are you making Brees replacement at #27 a priority?

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1 hour ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

Much like Brees does.  Are you making Brees replacement at #27 a priority?

How do you know that Mahomes wouldn't have been the pick if he was there at 11?

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47 minutes ago, GOAT POTUS said:

How do you know that Mahomes wouldn't have been the pick if he was there at 11?

I don't, but Brees is another year older, so you must be making QB again a priority.

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48 minutes ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

I don't, but Brees is another year older, so you must be making QB again a priority.

I don't see why that wouldn't be a priority.

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49 minutes ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

I don't, but Brees is another year older, so you must be making QB again a priority.

If Brees stays healthy, he's going to be the starting QB for at least 2 more years. I wouldn't draft a rookie QB to sit for that long. In today's NFL, rookie QB's start year 1.

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11 minutes ago, GOAT POTUS said:

I don't see why that wouldn't be a priority.

How does 6 QB going in the top 20 change your priorities?  

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5 hours ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

How does 6 QB going in the top 20 change your priorities?  

It depends on how the Saints "powers that be" view it. 

If they're going by "win now" ...then I don't see them going QB in the 1st.

If they're drafting for future, then they'll probably attempt to grab a QB.

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On 14/04/2018 at 5:19 PM, Handsome_Jimmy said:

You had no clue Ramczyk would be there at #32.  Anything else is a blad faced lie.

It was a luxury pick, but lucky for you, didn't end up as such.

We also had no clue Foster would be there close to 32 either.

I don't get your argument, of course the plan was never tackle, but when Foster was taken (our target), the next highest rated guy was Ramczyk so they took him.

 

But like every year, players fall, just like how Lattimore fell to us.

 

You still won't tell me how you're going to use this 10m instead of paying Peat. 

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On 4/14/2018 at 5:19 PM, Handsome_Jimmy said:

You had no clue Ramczyk would be there at #32.  Anything else is a blad faced lie.

It was a luxury pick, but lucky for you, didn't end up as such.

Pretty sure they expected Seattle to take Ram, which is why they called Foster. I don't think they expected him to be there, but luxury pick is lol worthy.

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3 hours ago, S4L said:

Pretty sure they expected Seattle to take Ram, which is why they called Foster. I don't think they expected him to be there, but luxury pick is lol worthy.

luxury pick would have been dalvin cook, considering he is literally everything ingram is.

 

But you know, building an OL is a luxury. Gotta let Brees run headless like Wilson 

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