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2 hours ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

How do you reconcile the killing of unknowing innocents with your religious beliefs?  None of the propaganda you've posted indicates the protesters as complicit.

You're hanging your hat on an already debunked argument.

These protestors were working with Hamas, as documented. 

Therefore, these protesters are complicit i.e. involved with others in an illegal activity or wrongdoing.

By definition, these statements cannot be refuted unless you present counter evidence.

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Telling you motherfuckers, don't fuck with Jews....we are not pacifists anymore ....we tried that pacifist shit a few times but everyone wanted to kill us because we were smart and thrifty LOL ...

At this point it's an eye for an eye a toof for a toof mudderfuckers....BANK DAT SHIT !

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2 hours ago, facelessman07 said:

These protestors were working with Hamas, as documented. 

You've not documented that whatsoever.  

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4 hours ago, Beef said:

They are throwing molotov coctails, and today they’re launching rockets.

Stop being a clown.

Who are you trying to sell your bullshit to, anyways?

As if there’s a chance in hell the “protesting” (attacking) Palestinians aren’t bloodthirsty murderous barbarians who would slit the throat of every Jew and Christian they encountered.

Acting like they’re peaceful and innocent just proves how mentally depraved and gone you are. You are such a waste of carbon.

You are a fucking hateful little loon.  Go have another sip of self delusion you retarded piece of crap.

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3 hours ago, Shredman said:

uhh thats what terrorist do, they use innocent ppl as human shields 

So you are saying it is ok to kill human shields?

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14 minutes ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

You are a fucking hateful little loon.  Go have another sip of self delusion you retarded piece of crap.

LOL, you are so butthurt.

You know you're intellectually dishonest.  We know you are.  And yet look at all the bullshit you still try to push on us.  Just look at this thread full of your crap.

Why?  Because you're a Leftwing pussy with a mental disorder and you... just... can't... stop.

Projecting your emotionally fucked up chemically imbalanced feelings is the only way you irrational soft little bitches know how to make yourselves feel better.

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15 minutes ago, Beef said:

LOL, you are so butthurt.

You know you're intellectually dishonest.  We know you are.  And yet look at all the bullshit you still try to push on us.  Just look at this thread full of your crap.

Why?  Because you're a Leftwing pussy with a mental disorder and you... just... can't... stop.

Projecting your emotionally fucked up chemically imbalanced feelings is the only way you irrational soft little bitches know how to make yourselves feel better.

You are intellectually devoid.  We see it in the football forums.  It usually takes this form "I didn't know anything about this guy, but reading up on TATF about how fast or strong he is, dude's gonna be a comer".

Your mind is a blank flash drive, at the mercy of whatever drivel happens to get loaded on.  Trump tells you he's a genius, you buy in, tells you he's high moral fiber, you fall for it.

Just once in your life, stop putting every single thing in left vs right mode and try to give birth to a personal, well reasoned, original thought.

 

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57 minutes ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

You've not documented that whatsoever.  

Yes I did.

And I'll do it again. With another link.

Why does the media continue encouraging Hamas violence?

If this were the first time that Hamas deliberately provoked Israel into self-defense actions that resulted in the unintended deaths of Gaza civilians, the media could be excused for playing into the hands of Hamas.

The most recent Hamas provocations — having 40,000 Gazans try to tear down the border fence and enter Israel with Molotov cocktails and other improvised weapons — are part of a repeated Hamas tactic that I have called the “dead baby strategy.” The goal of Hamas is to have Israel kill as many Gazans as possible so that the headlines always begin, and often end, with the body count. Hamas deliberately sends women and children to the front line, while their own fighters hide behind these human shields.

 

Hamas leaders have long acknowledged this tactic. Fathi Hammad, a Hamas member of the Palestinian Legislative Council, stated as far back as 2008, “For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy, ‘We desire death like you desire life.’”

Hamas used this tactic to provoke two wars with Israel in which their fighters fired rockets from civilian areas, including hospitals, schools and mosques. When Israel responded, it tried its best to avoid civilian casualties, dropping warning leaflets, calling residents of potential targets and dropping non-lethal noise bombs on the roofs of houses that were being used to launch rockets and store explosives. Inevitably, some civilians were killed, and the media blamed Israel for these deaths, despite the precautions it had taken.

The same was true when Hamas built terror tunnels used to kidnap Israeli civilians. The entrances to these tunnels were in civilian areas as well, including mosques and schools. Using their own civilians as human shields, while targeting Israeli civilians, is a double war crime. Yet, the media generally focuses on the reaction of Israel to these war crimes, rather than the war crimes of Hamas.

The cruel reality is that every time Israel accidentally kills a Gaza civilian, Israel loses. And every time Israel kills a Gaza civilian, Hamas wins. Israelis grieve every civilian death its army accidentally causes. Hamas benefits from every death Israel accidentally causes. That is why it encourages its women and children to become martyrs.

Calling this the “dead baby strategy” may seem cruel because it is cruel. But don’t blame the messenger for accurately describing this tactic. Blame those who cynically use it. Blame the media for playing into the hands of those who use it by reporting only the body count and not the deliberate Hamas tactic that leads to one-sided body counts.

It is true that Gaza is in a desperate situation and that it is wounded. But the wound itself is self-inflicted. When Israel ended its occupation of Gaza, removing every single soldier and settler, the territory could have become the Singapore on the Mediterranean Sea. It is a beautiful area with a large seacoast. It received infusions of cash and other help from Europe. Israel left behind agricultural equipment and hot houses.

But instead of using these resources to feed, house and educate its citizens, Hamas built rockets, terror tunnels and Molotov cocktails. It threw dissenters off the roof and murdered members of the Palestinian Authority who were willing to recognize Israel and negotiate with it. Hamas rejects the two-state solution or any solution that leaves Israel intact. The only solution for it is violence, and the events at the fence these past days are a manifestation of that violence.

Would any country in the world allow 40,000 people, sworn to its destruction, to knock down a border fence and attack its citizens living peacefully near the border? Of course not. Could Israel have done more to reduce casualties among those trying to breach the border fence? I don’t know, and neither do the legions of armchair generals who are criticizing Israel for the steps it took to prevent a catastrophe among the residents of Kibbutzim and towns that are proximate to the border fence.

One thing is crystal clear: Hamas will continue to use the ”dead baby strategy” as long as the media continues to report the deaths in the manner in which it has reported them in recent weeks. Many in the media are complicit in these deaths because their one-sided reporting encourages Hamas to send innocent women and children to the front line. Perhaps Israel could do a better job of defending its civilians but it is certain that the media can do a better job of accurately reporting the Hamas strategy that results in so many innocent deaths.

There is a marvelous cartoon that illustrates the difference between Hamas and Israel. It shows an Israeli soldier standing in front of a stroller with a baby in it, shielding the baby. Then it shows a Hamas terrorist standing behind a stroller with the baby in it, using the baby to shield him. This cartoon better illustrates the reality that is occurring at the Gaza fence than most of the “objective” reporting by the media.

Alan M. Dershowitz is the Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law, Emeritus, at Harvard Law School. He is the author of “Trumped Up: How Criminalizing Politics is Dangerous to Democracy” and “The Case Against BDS: Why Singling Out Israel for Boycott is Anti-Semitic and Anti-Peace.” You can follow him on Twitter @AlanDersh and on Facebook @AlanMDershowitz.

http://thehill.com/opinion/international/387788-why-does-the-media-continue-encouraging-hamas-violence

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58 minutes ago, facelessman07 said:

Alan M. Dershowitz is the Felix Frankfurter Professor of Law, Emeritus, at Harvard Law School. He is the author of “Trumped Up: How Criminalizing Politics is Dangerous to Democracy” and “The Case Against BDS: Why Singling Out Israel for Boycott is Anti-Semitic and Anti-Peace.” 

^^^^^^^Your bias is showing.

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6 minutes ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

^^^^^^^Your bias is showing.

Typical ad hominem fallacy.

When you're unable to discredit the facts, try to discredit the author.

Specifically, what did Dershowitz say that was inaccurate?

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1 hour ago, facelessman07 said:

Typical ad hominem fallacy.

When you're unable to discredit the facts, try to discredit the author.

Specifically, what did Dershowitz say that was inaccurate?

You didn't know? HJ is more intelligent than a law professor from Harvard.

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27 minutes ago, VoidedSaint said:

You didn't know? HJ is more intelligent than a law professor from Harvard.

He's also an expert on Islamic law and other affairs.

Ask him.

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3 hours ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

You are intellectually devoid.  We see it in the football forums.  It usually takes this form "I didn't know anything about this guy, but reading up on TATF about how fast or strong he is, dude's gonna be a comer".

Your mind is a blank flash drive, at the mercy of whatever drivel happens to get loaded on.  Trump tells you he's a genius, you buy in, tells you he's high moral fiber, you fall for it.

Just once in your life, stop putting every single thing in left vs right mode and try to give birth to a personal, well reasoned, original thought.

 

LOL, yeah the guy who does all his own research and incessantly asserts logical deductions from stats upon stats and droves of supporting evidence in virtually every debate he entertains is a follow the herd can't think for himself pleb.

GTFO, idiot.  You're so desperate for a dig that you're saying stupid shit that everyone knows isn't remotely true because they've seen me do the exact opposite countless times.

You got this failure thing on lock, it appears.

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3 hours ago, facelessman07 said:

Typical ad hominem fallacy.

When you're unable to discredit the facts, try to discredit the author.

Specifically, what did Dershowitz say that was inaccurate?

Try finding a non Israeli, Trump testicle tickling source.

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1 hour ago, VoidedSaint said:

You didn't know? HJ is more neutral than a Jewish law professor from Harvard.

True

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1 hour ago, Beef said:

LOL, yeah the guy who does all his own research and incessantly asserts logical deductions from stats upon stats and droves of supporting evidence in virtually every debate he entertains is a follow the herd can't think for himself pleb.

GTFO, idiot.  You're so desperate for a dig that you're saying stupid shit that everyone knows isn't remotely true because they've seen me do the exact opposite countless times.

You got this failure thing on lock, it appears.

You're just a little parrot, echoing any extremist b.s. that he stumbles upon.

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23 minutes ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

Try finding a non Israeli, Trump testicle tickling source.

Sure.

Discredit the facts given first so I'll be forced to.

Btw, Dershowitz is a Hillary voting liberal. I thought you'd be okay with such a source.

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19 minutes ago, facelessman07 said:

Sure.

Discredit the facts given first so I'll be forced to.

Btw, Dershowitz is a Hillary voting liberal. I thought you'd be okay with such a source.

The EU just called you retards liars.  Kuwait tried to do so through the U.N., but of course you chickenshits vetoed it.

"While recognizing the right to protect its borders, we expect Israel to respect the fundamental right to peaceful protests and the principle of proportionality in the use of force when defending its legitimate security interest," the EU members of the Council said in a statement."

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14 minutes ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

The EU just called you retards liars.  Kuwait tried to do so through the U.N., but of course you chickenshits vetoed it.

"While recognizing the right to protect its borders, we expect Israel to respect the fundamental right to peaceful protests and the principle of proportionality in the use of force when defending its legitimate security interest," the EU members of the Council said in a statement."

What part of this protest was peaceful?

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3 hours ago, Handsome_Jimmy said:

The EU just called you retards liars.  Kuwait tried to do so through the U.N., but of course you chickenshits vetoed it.

"While recognizing the right to protect its borders, we expect Israel to respect the fundamental right to peaceful protests and the principle of proportionality in the use of force when defending its legitimate security interest," the EU members of the Council said in a statement."

Can a rock shot from a slingshot kill anyone?

Can a molotov coctail kill anyone?

If a hundreds of people are bombarding you with those things non-stop, plus occasionally they also shoot some gun rounds at you too, and maybe even launch a few explosive rockets your way... what do you consider an appropriate response?

Nothing?  Just let them start fires in your city, injure or kill a few people with slung/shot projectiles, and blow some shit up?

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On 5/14/2018 at 7:43 AM, Handsome_Jimmy said:

25 dead so far in clashes over embassy move to Jerusalem.

Great work "peacemaker"

Yes. Because Hamas backed "peaceful" protesters with Molotov cocktails had nothing to do with the violent clashes. 

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On 5/14/2018 at 12:49 PM, Handsome_Jimmy said:

So now you know the intent of these demonstrators and that they were all armed muslims, not Israeli-palestines?

Link?

50+ dead.  France condemning your role in this.  Turkey as well.

Fuck France, and Turkey, the UN... AND Canada...

 

What is right is almost never popular...

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