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Why do the Democrats want to end this?

Here’s why >>>>

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That's because the Dems want the General Election decided by the big cities that they have controlled for decades. That way not only will they have a strangle hold on the Presidency, but they could also completely ignore citizens in fly over states without consequence.

The EC was created to counter these very things.

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2 hours ago, DD: OG said:

That's because the Dems want the General Election decided by the big cities that they have controlled for decades. That way not only will they have a strangle hold on the Presidency, but they could also completely ignore citizens in fly over states without consequence.

The EC was created to counter these very things.

You do realize that about 2-3 swing states have a strangle hold on the presidency right now?  How would abolishing the electoral college change anything, other than actually make this country a democracy? 

How many candidates campaigned in flyover states? Did Trump go to Wyoming? Or did he go to Ohio? Did Hillary go to Rhode Island? Or did she go to Florida? 

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1 minute ago, Willy Mo said:

 How would abolishing the electoral college change anything, other than actually make this country a democracy? 

 

Here's a clue, we're not a Democracy, we're a Democratic Republic. 

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10 minutes ago, DD: OG said:

Here's a clue, we're not a Democracy, we're a Democratic Republic. 

You do realize that you can still have a democratic republic with direct voting on the people who lead the country? We don't have anything close to a democracy right now.  Let alone a direct one, or we'd just vote on every single issue. Making the presidential vote based on the popular vote still makes us a republic, or else we'd get rid of the President figure all together. 

But anyway, can you answer the question? Ohio, Florida, and whatever flavor of the year swing state of the year already completely control the outcome of the presidency. Why aren't you opposed to that like you are other places having a stranglehold on the presidency?

You said this in your post:

"but they could also completely ignore citizens in fly over states without consequence."

You do realize that the electoral college is literally designed to ignore VAST swaths of voters?

Let's say I'm a Republican in New York, and I vote for Trump. Does my vote matter? Nope! The state goes to whatever Democrat and I wasted my time. My vote is worthless.

Let's say I'm a Democrat in Texas. Does my vote matter? Nope! The state goes to Trump and I wasted my time. 

You wanna know the counter to that? Making every single person's vote equal.

Let's say I'm a voter in Florida not aligned with a political party. How much is my vote worth? A fuckton. What if I'm a non-aligned voter in Indiana? How much is my vote worth? Nothing. 

You see how that works? Only one system makes vast swaths of voters literally irrelevant. And it's not the popular vote. Everyone's vote is equal. If you lose the popular vote, your ideas suck and you lost the people. That's your problem. 

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26 minutes ago, Willy Mo said:

You do realize that

 

13 minutes ago, Willy Mo said:

You do realize that

Starts off twice like this. But Doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. 

 

Nor does his high school ass have the balls to respond to me about the veto of Obama vs presidentTrump. 

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12 minutes ago, Willy Mo said:

 

Let's say I'm a Republican in New York, and I vote for Trump. Does my vote matter? Nope! The state goes to whatever Democrat and I wasted my time. My vote is worthless.

Let's say I'm a Democrat in Texas. Does my vote matter? Nope! The state goes to Trump and I wasted my time. 

 

You didn't waste your time, you were simply outnumbered in your own state.

The Presidential election has NOTHING to do with the popular vote.

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14 minutes ago, SaintRay said:

You didn't waste your time, you were simply outnumbered in your own state.

The Presidential election has NOTHING to do with the popular vote.

Yeah, and voters in “flyover” states won’t be ignored, they’ll be outnumbered. It’s pretty simple. 

These candidates already only campaign in a few places even with the EC. So what’s the backlash of getting rid of it? What do we lose, other than making everyone’s vote equal? 

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Abolishing the electoral college means Presidential candidates have to campaign in only 3 states that decide the election. If you live in smaller states or more rural areas, you're shit out of luck.

Without the EC, we have tyranny by the majority. Something which the Founding Fathers feared. Probably because that's how socialism works.

Funny how those same ones who want to do away with our Constitution are also criticizing conservatives daily about not representing "American ideals and values."

They want to turn what has always been a republic into a democracy.

When you can't win the game, change the rules.

GTFOH.

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35 minutes ago, Willy Mo said:

You do realize that you can still have a democratic republic with direct voting on the people who lead the country? We don't have anything close to a democracy right now.  Let alone a direct one, or we'd just vote on every single issue. Making the presidential vote based on the popular vote still makes us a republic, or else we'd get rid of the President figure all together. 

But anyway, can you answer the question? Ohio, Florida, and whatever flavor of the year swing state of the year already completely control the outcome of the presidency. Why aren't you opposed to that like you are other places having a stranglehold on the presidency?

You said this in your post:

"but they could also completely ignore citizens in fly over states without consequence."

You do realize that the electoral college is literally designed to ignore VAST swaths of voters?

Let's say I'm a Republican in New York, and I vote for Trump. Does my vote matter? Nope! The state goes to whatever Democrat and I wasted my time. My vote is worthless.

Let's say I'm a Democrat in Texas. Does my vote matter? Nope! The state goes to Trump and I wasted my time. 

You wanna know the counter to that? Making every single person's vote equal.

Let's say I'm a voter in Florida not aligned with a political party. How much is my vote worth? A fuckton. What if I'm a non-aligned voter in Indiana? How much is my vote worth? Nothing. 

You see how that works? Only one system makes vast swaths of voters literally irrelevant. And it's not the popular vote. Everyone's vote is equal. If you lose the popular vote, your ideas suck and you lost the people. That's your problem. 

In your scenario, why would any candidate campaign in any state beside New York, Florida, Texas and California?

Why wouldn't said candidate's policies pander to urban areas while flipping the bird to rural areas?

Also, the popular vote would send the 'Open season' message for illegal voters, which obviously benefits the Democrats(see Dade County)

 

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4 minutes ago, facelessman07 said:

Abolishing the electoral college means Presidential candidates have to campaign in only 3 states that decide the election. If you live in smaller states or more rural areas, you're shit out of luck.

Without the EC, we have tyranny by the majority. Something which the Founding Fathers feared. Probably because that's how socialism works.

Funny how those same ones who want to do away with our Constitution are also criticizing conservatives daily about not representing "American ideals and values."

They want to turn what has always been a republic into a democracy.

When you can't win the game, change the rules.

GTFOH.

 

'Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of it's citizens can vote away the rights of the other 49%.

-Thomas Jefferson

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18 minutes ago, facelessman07 said:

Abolishing the electoral college means Presidential candidates have to campaign in only 3 states that decide the election. If you live in smaller states or more rural areas, you're shit out of luck.

Without the EC, we have tyranny by the majority. Something which the Founding Fathers feared. Probably because that's how socialism works.

Funny how those same ones who want to do away with our Constitution are also criticizing conservatives daily about not representing "American ideals and values."

They want to turn what has always been a republic into a democracy.

When you can't win the game, change the rules.

GTFOH.

 

15 minutes ago, DD: OG said:

In your scenario, why would any candidate campaign in any state beside New York, Florida, Texas and California?

Why wouldn't said candidate's policies pander to urban areas while flipping the bird to rural areas?

Also, the popular vote would send the 'Open season' message for illegal voters, which obviously benefits the Democrats(see Dade County)

 

They already only campaign in 2 or 3 swing states. So this argument is invalid.

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1 minute ago, Willy Mo said:

 

They already only campaign in 2 or 3 swing states. So this argument is invalid.

both Clinton and Trump visited Louisiana 

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6 minutes ago, Willy Mo said:

 

They already only campaign in 2 or 3 swing states. So this argument is invalid.

Trump campaigned in damn near every state, save the 3 on the west coast. Hillary was the one that hung out in the same 3 states during the campaign, a mistake that cost her the election.  If it's so awful here, maybe it's time you gassed up your wagon and headed south to Venezuela??

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8 minutes ago, Dago said:

both Clinton and Trump visited Louisiana 

A visit or a campaign?

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5 minutes ago, DD: OG said:

Trump campaigned in damn near every state, save the 3 on the west coast. Hillary was the one that hung out in the same 3 states during the campaign, a mistake that cost her the election.  If it's so awful here, maybe it's time you gassed up your wagon and headed south to Venezuela??

You wanna get me a plane ticket? They got some nice beaches out there. Great vacation.

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14 minutes ago, Willy Mo said:

You wanna get me a plane ticket? They got some nice beaches out there. Great vacation.

What part of gassing up your wagon do you not understand??

I ain't paying a dime for your Socialist ass.

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14 minutes ago, Willy Mo said:

You wanna get me a plane ticket? They got some nice beaches out there. Great vacation.

And Nazi Germany had beautiful architecture and excellent food.

In fact, virtually all nations have redeeming topographical qualities.

Yet no one in their right mind would want to live there due to oppressive regimes and persecutions.

You’re being dishonest as fuck.

And if you choose to reply, I expect another “dishonest as fuck” monologue. 

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13 minutes ago, DD: OG said:

What part of gassing up your wagon do you not understand??

I ain't paying a dime for your Socialist ass.

I'll pitch in on a one way ticket for him....

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1 hour ago, Willy Mo said:

A visit or a campaign?

are visits during the time leading up to an election not a part of campaigning?

Presidents up for election don't make visits to states and not do some campaigning

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19 minutes ago, Dago said:

are visits during the time leading up to an election not a part of campaigning?

Presidents up for election don't make visits to states and not do some campaigning

And your reason as to why this wouldn’t happen with the popular vote is? It’s obvious that under the electoral college very few states actually matter. As do tens of millions of voters not matter. So why not just make everyone equal?

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Change electoral college

Keep border open - fail to change idiotic immigration law - IGNORE IT

Change voting age to 16

Put term limits on Supreme Court

Propose to give illegals social security

Cryfuck the Mooler report is not fair ! 

Propose to eliminate cows, planes, cars - rebuild all our buildings

 

The shit listed above is ALL the new Dem majority house has been able to come up with since becoming the majority......nice work motherfuckers

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32 minutes ago, Willy Mo said:

And your reason as to why this wouldn’t happen with the popular vote is? It’s obvious that under the electoral college very few states actually matter. As do tens of millions of voters not matter. So why not just make everyone equal?

because it doesn't make sense. why campaign in Louisiana if you figure its going to be near a 50/50 break and the total population of the state is less than many cities? 

simple math man

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5 minutes ago, Dago said:

because it doesn't make sense. why campaign in Louisiana if you figure its going to be near a 50/50 break and the total population of the state is less than many cities? 

simple math man

The EC vote count of that state is less than many others, too, as were the odds of it flipping. So what’s the math there? They were willingly wasting their time? 

LA had 8. Ohio had 18. Florida had 29. What is the ratio of time spent on Louisiana to Florida and Ohio?

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1 minute ago, Willy Mo said:

The EC vote count of that state is less than many others, too, as were the odds of it flipping. So what’s the math there? They were willingly wasting their time? 

LA had 8. Ohio had 18. Florida had 29. What is the ratio of time spent on Louisiana to Florida and Ohio?

your comparison makes no sense. you have to compare the difference in results between the popular vote and the electoral college and it comes down to simple math in that case

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